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I've never had any problems with OPTIMAL (not optimum) in 8.1.7.4 (on HP - not sure about Solaris). Keep in mind that OPTIMAL only shrinks the RBS when a subsequent transaction causes inspection of the extended RBS again - it doesn't "snap" back to it's optimal size as soon as a long transaction completes - here is a description from the 9i doc: When you create or alter a rollback segment, you can use the storage parameter OPTIMAL (which applies only to rollback segments) to specify the optimal size of the segment in bytes. If a transaction needs to continue writing rollback information from one extent to another extent in the rollback segment, Oracle compares the current size of the rollback segment to the segment's optimal size . If the rollback segment is larger than its optimal size, and if the extents immediately following the extent just filled are inactive, then Oracle deallocates consecutive nonactive extents from the rollback segment until the total size of the rollback segment is equal to or close to, but not less than, its optimal size. Oracle always frees the oldest inactive extents, as these are the least likely to be used by consistent reads.
-- --Original Message-- -- From: oracle-l-bounce@(protected) [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@(protected)]On Behalf Of Mercadante, Thomas F (LABOR) Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:30 AM To: Chirag DBA Cc: jhenslee@(protected); Oracle-L Freelists Subject: RE: URGENT - Can you coalesce a RBS tablespace?
Optimum doesn't work too well in 8.1.7.4 (like not at all)
Shrinking them by hand is certainly not the long-term answer. Re-writing the offending sql is the long-term answer.
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From: Chirag DBA [mailto:chiragdba@(protected)] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:16 PM To: Mercadante, Thomas F (LABOR) Cc: jhenslee@(protected); Oracle-L Freelists Subject: Re: URGENT - Can you coalesce a RBS tablespace?
Try setting the OPTIMUM parameter, which will reduce the size of yr segment after finishing the transaction. That can help you to get through.
But if the transactions are long, they can generate 1555 erros in yr trace files.
Look for this too.
Regards - Chirag
On 9/6/05, Mercadante, Thomas F (LABOR) < Thomas.Mercadante@(protected)> wrote:
Jeff,
Have you shrunk the existing rollback segments? You may have some that are huge in size. You can shrink them and this will free up space in the RBS tablespace.
Tom
-- --Original Message-- -- From: oracle-l-bounce@(protected) [mailto: oracle-l-bounce@(protected) <mailto:oracle-l-bounce@(protected)> ] On Behalf Of Henslee, Jeff Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:55 PM To: Oracle-L Freelists Subject: URGENT - Can you coalesce a RBS tablespace?
We seem to be having troubles with some of our RBS segments. We are unable to create new segments or extend existing ones. This is an unusual pattern and we're trying to find a way to get people back working again without having to add a datafile to the RBS area (if at all possible) or restart the instance.
Options please?
Thank you.
Jeffrey C. Henslee (Chico) Six Sigma Green Belt Wausau Window and Wall Systems (715) 846-3196 mailto: jhenslee@(protected) <mailto:jhenslee@(protected)>
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Keep in mind that OPTIMAL only shrinks the RBS when a subsequent transaction causes inspection of the extended RBS again - it doesn't "snap" back to it's optimal size as soon as a long transaction completes - here is a description from the 9i doc:</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=755283617-06092005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=755283617-06092005>When you create or alter a rollback segment , you can use the storage parameter <CODE>OPTIMAL</CODE> (which applies <EM class=Italic>only</EM> to rollback segments) to specify the optimal size of the segment in bytes. If a transaction needs to continue writing rollback information from one extent to another extent in the rollback segment, Oracle compares the current size of the rollback segment to the segment's optimal size . If the rollback segment is larger than its optimal size, and if the extents immediately following the extent just filled are inactive, then Oracle deallocates consecutive nonactive extents from the rollback segment until the total size of the rollback segment is equal to or close to, but not less than, its optimal size. Oracle always frees the oldest inactive extents, as these are the least likely to be used by consistent reads.</SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=755283617-06092005></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=755283617-06092005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>-- --Original Message-- --<BR><B>From:</B> oracle-l-bounce@(protected) [mailto:oracle-l-bounce@(protected)]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mercadante, Thomas F (LABOR)<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, September 06, 2005 10:30 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Chirag DBA<BR><B>Cc:</B> jhenslee@(protected); Oracle-L Freelists<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: URGENT - Can you coalesce a RBS tablespace?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV class=Section1> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Optimum doesn’ ;t work too well in 8.1.7.4 (like not at all)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p>< /SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Shrinking them by hand is certainly not the long-term answer. Re-writing the offending sql is the long-term answer.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p>< /SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <HR tabIndex=-1 align=center width="100%" SIZE=2> </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">From:</SPAN>< /FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> Chirag DBA [mailto:<st1:PersonName w:st="on">chiragdba@(protected)</st1:PersonName>] <BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, September 06 , 2005 1:16 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Mercadante, Thomas F (LABOR)<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Cc:</SPAN></B> jhenslee@(protected); Oracle-L Freelists<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: URGENT - Can you coalesce a RBS tablespace?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Try setting the OPTIMUM parameter, which will reduce the size of yr segment after finishing the transaction. That can help you to get through.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">But if the transactions are long, they can generate 1555 erros in yr trace files.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Look for this too.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Regards - Chirag <BR><BR> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV> <DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN class=gmailquote><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">On 9/6/05, <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Mercadante, Thomas F (LABOR)</SPAN></B> <<A href="mailto:Thomas.Mercadante@(protected)">Thomas.Mercadante@(protected) .state.ny.us</A>> wrote:</SPAN></FONT></SPAN> <o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Jeff,<BR><BR>Have you shrunk the existing rollback segments? You may have some that<BR>are huge in size. You can shrink them and this will free up space in <BR>the RBS tablespace.<BR><BR>Tom<BR><BR>-- --Original Message-- --<BR>From: <A href="mailto:oracle-l-bounce@(protected)">oracle-l-bounce@(protected)</A> <BR>[mailto:<A href="mailto:oracle-l-bounce@(protected)">oracle-l-bounce@(protected) </A>] On Behalf Of Henslee, Jeff<BR>Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:55 PM<BR>To: Oracle-L Freelists<BR>Subject: URGENT - Can you coalesce a RBS tablespace?<BR><BR>We seem to be having troubles with some of our RBS segments. We are <BR>unable to create new segments or extend existing ones. This is an<BR>unusual pattern and we're trying to find a way to get people back<BR>working again without having to add a datafile to the RBS area (if at<BR>all possible) or restart the instance. <BR><BR>Options please?<BR><BR>Thank you.<BR><BR>Jeffrey C. 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